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good afternoon and welcome back to

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today's nasa future forum here at the

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university of maryland college park in

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the riggs alumni center

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for our final panel this afternoon we

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have one of perhaps the best of all day

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we have our panel on inspiration and

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education building idea factories for

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the future our panel leader today is

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michael locke from the u.s department of

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thank you good afternoon everyone um

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great to be here

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it's exciting to be part of this i

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always get a kick out of um whenever i

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get to do anything

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that's even remotely related to nasa

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you guys have all the cool toys and all

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the all the fun things um so it's it's

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great to be here

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i come i come from this as the

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special assistant to

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secretary duncan focusing on stem

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education issues in the department of

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education and prior to that i was a

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classroom teacher i taught for

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almost 10 years in new orleans new york

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city and chicago

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and then sold out and became a

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bureaucrat

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curriculum instruction the chicago

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public schools for arne and then i came

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with him when he came out out here to

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but it's great to be here you're going

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to hear from some really exceptional

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people talking about

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inspiration and education are really

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tightly linked and important pieces of

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the whole problem you're going to hear

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about it from all different levels

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we've got two university folks here

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mary bowden and muhammad italiab who

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both have engineering backgrounds and

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some of the higher ed perspective

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susan barhonigan is a elementary school

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teacher and also the

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regional director of the virginia

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science teachers association

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and leland melvin leads nasa's education

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effort and has been a tremendous partner

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in all this work across the federal

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government moving forward

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but you don't want to hear from me let's

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hear from them so um why don't we start

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with you mary tell a little bit about um

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where you're coming from and the the

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expertise you provide here and maybe it

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would be helpful to since we're talking

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about inspiration talk a little bit

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about how you decided to become a

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scientist what inspired you

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well first let me introduce myself a

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i'm actually a part-time faculty here at

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the university of maryland

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in the aerospace engineering department

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and i'm also associated with the space

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systems lab

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and i'd like to point out that we have a

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number of displays out in the hallway of

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some of the undergraduate projects that

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space systems lab

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just to kind of put in perspective what

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that have been ongoing through the years

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i'll get to the part of what actually

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afterwards but um i think what's so

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i have come to realize without any

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question in my mind the projects at the

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freshman and sophomore level tend to

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keep engineers in engineering because we

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they choose to go to other

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disciplines and that's okay but we want

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to keep them in engineering as much as

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years are also extremely effective and

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teaching engineers how to be more

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effective engineers

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just developing confidence in their own

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ability to think and to work through

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problems is also essential and i think

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that is what has gained

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so much more from these projects than

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perhaps from sitting in a classroom

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project that we have actually um that

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spans all four years for our

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undergraduates and that's our balloon

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this is a program that was

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initiated in in our department

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credit to the maryland space grant

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organization for initiating this project

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going on with this program and they sent

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me to colorado to learn how to build

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balloon payloads

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next thing i knew i was expected to

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start a program a very similar nature at

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our university so i did

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um hundreds of students who have built

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payloads um we've launched 32 flights

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getting ready to launch our 33rd flight

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and um it has been a wonderful

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experience for the students to really

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get a feeling for what it is to build

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space okay near space hardware

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data and it's it's i think it's a it's a

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wonderful sort of microcosm of a real

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states and the district of columbia and

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puerto rico and is just a tremendous

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network of universities and colleges

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where the the primary purpose is to

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engineering and science education and

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research and outreach and it's just been

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a wonderful in fact an enabling

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organization for us to do not just this

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balloon payload project but but many

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you know the conclusion that i have come

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to is that the

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students who get the hands-on experience

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rovers and underwater submersibles many

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competitions and some are not

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confidence in our students

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perfect this is not a perfect world and

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laboratory in this case it's the space

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systems lab but there are many many labs

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a lab that is doing cutting-edge vibrant

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undergraduates will go away as well it's

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research uh going at a high level

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um the the labs to inspire and and

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i'm a little bit embarrassed to say this

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in college i honestly did not know what

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engineering was i thought that engineers

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drove trains okay so engineers do drive

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trains but it's so much more than that

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sophomore year who happened to be an

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engineer that i realized this is really

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neat and you know what got me i i'm

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again a little embarrassed here because

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this is a sign what got me where the

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textbooks were so cool they had pictures

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of real systems and real real real world

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problems and i have um

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thank you very much i'm really very

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honored to be here today and this panel

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to discuss with these 10 people about

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stem education and how to inspire and

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motivate the

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students the next generation

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into the fields of sciences and

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technologies and advanced technologies

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i also hope to share some lights on some

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of the troubles and the challenges and

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the problems that

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we will be facing in trying to provide

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the factories of the future in trying to

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the next generation innovators the next

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i come from an academic arena

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i do work for frostburg state university

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as a faculty member in addition to my

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research to some extent i have also

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called the center for future engineers

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this is a very brief beautiful and

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wonderful program because it's directed

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towards the gifted and talented students

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challenging problems and challenging

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programs because we believe that the

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best way to inspire

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a gifted and talented student is

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that being said i would like to also

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mention that

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although recent

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indicators and recent concerns about the

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nation's ability to produce

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the next generation innovative

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innovators in the next generation

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academicians and the next generation

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explorers

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in the science and technology and

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these concerns led to

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a great investment

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in stem education

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at college level

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and beyond

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but unfortunately did not focus on

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trying to reach out for the brightest

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kids

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the misconception here is that the

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brightest student would make it on their

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own

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well actually they will not unless we

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provide really challenging problems and

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difficult problems for them to keep them

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inspired and motivated

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this is what we do at the center for

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future engineers we reach out for the

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gifted and talented students

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we try to focus on providing challenging

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problems

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nasa of course is one of our vehicles

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the tools that we use

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because we real excuse me we realized

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that

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as soon as we mentioned about space

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missions for example this year for

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summer center which is part of our

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center for future engineers activity

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we developed a program we called

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robotics

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on the surface of the moon

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so we realized that robotics is a cool

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thing

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join them together robotics on the

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surface of the moon is one wonderful

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great thing too it's like putting peanut

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and it was actually a great success it

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was very very very cool program

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everybody liked it

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we added a little bit of technical

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challenge because we wanted these

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robotics to be networked that they can

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communicate and search for some kind of

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a mystery substance under the rockets of

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the moons

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students in that program were

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entering grade 9 through 12.

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quite challenging some of these programs

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were

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initially developed for college students

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at their senior and junior level

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in three weeks we noticed that because

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of the inspiration the amount of

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inspiration the amount of motivation

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the amount of realism in those kids they

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were able to program develop build

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construct

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robotic systems that were able to

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complete the mission

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well the trick here is before we did

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that

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we showed a little documentary and a

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movie about the early apollo missions

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and we showed them how engineers

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did really great cool things and how

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they reached their goals

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when the time was it was very very early

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stages of a state of space programs

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i kind of cheated a little bit because

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this is how i got myself into

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engineering and science

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when i was little rowan

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this is how i

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realized that engineering is cool

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because i watch the documentary i watch

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the movies about the early apollo

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missions

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nasa history

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and historical missions

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programs and current missions

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can be used

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as a great tool to inspire those kids

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especially in these programs

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now some of the problems and the

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challenges and like

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my friend mary here said that the world

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is not perfect

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is of course funding these programs are

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actually dying because of the lack of

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funding

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why do we want to target specifically we

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want to target all students and try to

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create

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the numbers that we want the numbers

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that this country needs

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to cover

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the needs in

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fueling the economic and security needs

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in engineering

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but we also want to focus on the gifted

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and talented students they are also

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gifted and talented in other fields

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and if we don't care for them

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they would just simply go and find

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i just was very surprised to learn

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that there's only eight million dollars

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in the federal budget for gifted and

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talented students in the united states

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remember that these are the

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the kids that are going to participate

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in nasa great missions of the future the

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gifted and talented ones

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there's no money unfortunately earmarked

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for gifted and talented students

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in the state of maryland where we

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actually operate

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with that

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we are considered to be

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one of the few lucky centers in the

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state of maryland that are still

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surviving because of some corporate

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sponsorship and we don't know actually

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what would be the future

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for the center

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in conclusion i would like to reiterate

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that nasa

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past achievements and current

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achievements is a great are a great

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tool and vehicle to inspire and motivate

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the future of our engineers

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through funds from nasa and other

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corporate corporations we were able to

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generate these programs

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when we challenge the gifted and

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talented students

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beyond their capacity

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we are not actually challenging them

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beyond their capacity we are pushing the

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limit and when we do so we are preparing

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the great engineers of the future

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with that i would like to

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let's go to let's go to susan

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hey

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good afternoon my name is susan

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bardenhagen i am a classroom educator

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i am the oldest of four

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daughters

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and

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i in looking at the careers that we all

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took

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being the oldest i went into the

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traditional role that someone

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involved in stem education would be

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involved

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with and that is being a teacher

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my next sister

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is a physical therapist assistant the

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medical profession is another place

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where you find a lot of females

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my third sister really wanted to be a

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veterinarian but she has her own horse

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farm and um

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is an entrepreneur with everything that

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she does

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and my youngest sister

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is a chemical engineer

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she also went back to school and got her

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degree in financial

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becoming a financial analyst so

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she can take on both roles first when

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she worked for arco oil company

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she not only could

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do the chemical engineering but she was

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able to do the financial analyst and

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know what she was talking about in that

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particular role she's now working i'm

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proud to say with alternative energy

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forces

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and um

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actually came to talk to my students

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about the new book that she was a

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contributing edit editor for on wind

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energy so that's pretty cool

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yeah we're for four daughters but we

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didn't know that there was anything

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unusual about us being girls that were

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interested in doing stuff until we each

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went to college armed with our

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flat-bladed and phillips head

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screwdrivers and everybody knew that if

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they needed anything fixed or

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that we could do it we didn't think that

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was unusual and it was just the way that

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my mom and dad brought us up and um

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i mean i remember mary was talking about

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the engineer i thought an engineer too

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when i was in high school and college

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was someone who

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was the engineer for the train

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um

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air force base on long island and we

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were always wondering what those things

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were and

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kind of being afraid but

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thinking they were interesting but the

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the defining moment for me as far as

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interest in space came in 62 when john

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glenn did his three orbits and they

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at the time

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in school they

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broadcasted on the pa system there were

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no televisions in the classroom i mean

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we were still watching black and white

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and i remember being so interested in

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that and telling my mom that i wanted to

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cut out all the

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articles and everything and she actually

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gave up

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her treasured scrapbook that her big

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brother had brought back and let me put

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some pictures in hers and because it's

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so little you can see it just

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i have this little thing of the ticker

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tape parade and i saved it

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and then i started collecting bigger

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things and putting them on poster board

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so i have gordon cooper and a few others

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and

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that kept my interest in space but i

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never aspired to become an astronaut

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until i became a teacher

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and

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i still tell my students that when i

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grow up i want to be an astronaut and

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because i teach elementary school they

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look at me and say well you are grown up

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and that brings me to to what

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i think has me sitting here

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today and the fact that

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i am still so excited about everything

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that's out there to learn

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i relate to the students what it was

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like when i was their age so that they

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can get in a

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it's very difficult and abstract for

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them to understand how much technology

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has grown just in the 58 years that i've

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been on the planet and

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for them to understand that

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there were no black and white television

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i mean there were only black and white

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televisions that at 12 midnight the

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the signal came on and there wasn't

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anything on after that

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um no cell phones the dial

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and

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i took some notes as to what kinds of

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things i remember from my teaching

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from being taught

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as a student i remember doing a science

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project on brine shrimp whether or not

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they preferred certain colored lights

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and so i took over my dad's workshop in

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the basement and had all these different

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colored lights set up

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and

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i remember doing that project i remember

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my fifth grade teacher requiring us to

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keep a nature lock

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and go out and find this particular spot

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that we'd have to go visit at least once

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a week maybe longer for the whole school

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year through all four seasons and record

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information and data about the flora and

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fauna and everything that was going on

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and somewhere packed in a box somewhere

579
00:21:57,029 --> 00:21:54,480
i still have the leaves

580
00:21:58,710 --> 00:21:57,039
in these little what they were then the

581
00:22:01,669 --> 00:21:58,720
plastic sleeves that you could keep

582
00:22:04,149 --> 00:22:01,679
protect things in and i still have my

583
00:22:06,549 --> 00:22:04,159
students do that i've had my third

584
00:22:08,149 --> 00:22:06,559
through my eighth graders keep nature

585
00:22:09,990 --> 00:22:08,159
locks and

586
00:22:12,390 --> 00:22:10,000
do the observations

587
00:22:14,070 --> 00:22:12,400
um

588
00:22:16,070 --> 00:22:14,080
when i look at

589
00:22:17,430 --> 00:22:16,080
the things with which i've become

590
00:22:19,430 --> 00:22:17,440
involved

591
00:22:22,549 --> 00:22:19,440
i think it's because of all the things

592
00:22:25,110 --> 00:22:22,559
that nasa has had out there noah has had

593
00:22:28,310 --> 00:22:25,120
out there and the fact that i am still a

594
00:22:30,070 --> 00:22:28,320
big kid that loves learning i mean

595
00:22:32,870 --> 00:22:30,080
when i was approached to be part of the

596
00:22:34,950 --> 00:22:32,880
panel today it was because i don't know

597
00:22:37,669 --> 00:22:34,960
if i'm the only but i'm one of the few

598
00:22:38,630 --> 00:22:37,679
classroom teachers who signed up for the

599
00:22:41,190 --> 00:22:38,640
to be

600
00:22:42,070 --> 00:22:41,200
part of this today and

601
00:22:45,110 --> 00:22:42,080
then

602
00:22:47,110 --> 00:22:45,120
the you know the rest is history um to

603
00:22:48,470 --> 00:22:47,120
just let you know a few of the things

604
00:22:52,549 --> 00:22:48,480
that

605
00:22:54,549 --> 00:22:52,559
um

606
00:22:57,110 --> 00:22:54,559
there's the an organization called the

607
00:22:58,950 --> 00:22:57,120
federation of galaxy explorers there's

608
00:22:59,990 --> 00:22:58,960
there are two displays outside for you

609
00:23:01,190 --> 00:23:00,000
to look at

610
00:23:04,630 --> 00:23:01,200
um

611
00:23:05,669 --> 00:23:04,640
it was started in 2002 by an engineer a

612
00:23:11,830 --> 00:23:05,679
space

613
00:23:13,669 --> 00:23:11,840
across and inspire kids

614
00:23:15,830 --> 00:23:13,679
and i've been a mission team leader

615
00:23:18,149 --> 00:23:15,840
since 2003

616
00:23:19,190 --> 00:23:18,159
and one of the most exciting things is

617
00:23:21,669 --> 00:23:19,200
to see

618
00:23:23,590 --> 00:23:21,679
young third fourth and fifth graders who

619
00:23:24,870 --> 00:23:23,600
have so many questions that we don't get

620
00:23:27,110 --> 00:23:24,880
to a lot of the stuff that's on the

621
00:23:29,190 --> 00:23:27,120
meeting because they just want to know

622
00:23:31,270 --> 00:23:29,200
and if we don't know the answers we find

623
00:23:32,789 --> 00:23:31,280
it out and they investigate and they see

624
00:23:33,590 --> 00:23:32,799
me at school and they'll come back and

625
00:23:36,549 --> 00:23:33,600
say

626
00:23:38,310 --> 00:23:36,559
the awe that's in their face is probably

627
00:23:39,510 --> 00:23:38,320
when i was sitting there in

628
00:23:46,230 --> 00:23:39,520
in

629
00:23:48,870 --> 00:23:46,240
galaxy explorers is a great way we have

630
00:23:50,870 --> 00:23:48,880
moon based teams we've updated to the

631
00:23:51,750 --> 00:23:50,880
fact now where they have simulations

632
00:23:54,149 --> 00:23:51,760
where

633
00:23:56,630 --> 00:23:54,159
we have suits that were created by the

634
00:23:58,390 --> 00:23:56,640
same company that does nasa so the kids

635
00:24:01,269 --> 00:23:58,400
get to dress up in their

636
00:24:03,750 --> 00:24:01,279
little helmets and their white suits and

637
00:24:05,510 --> 00:24:03,760
we made gloves for them and

638
00:24:07,909 --> 00:24:05,520
spongy boots so that they can feel what

639
00:24:09,830 --> 00:24:07,919
they're doing and they actually do a

640
00:24:12,470 --> 00:24:09,840
moon base where they look for meteorites

641
00:24:15,269 --> 00:24:12,480
and possibly

642
00:24:16,630 --> 00:24:15,279
have a solar solar flare and they have

643
00:24:18,470 --> 00:24:16,640
to go in and

644
00:24:20,149 --> 00:24:18,480
protect each other and be

645
00:24:21,830 --> 00:24:20,159
it's a team thing and it's just so

646
00:24:24,149 --> 00:24:21,840
exciting to have it involved and that's

647
00:24:25,909 --> 00:24:24,159
one of the things that

648
00:24:28,789 --> 00:24:25,919
that i work with that

649
00:24:30,870 --> 00:24:28,799
specifically rated related to space

650
00:24:32,390 --> 00:24:30,880
there's another program that i just got

651
00:24:34,230 --> 00:24:32,400
involved with this year called the real

652
00:24:37,430 --> 00:24:34,240
world design challenge

653
00:24:39,990 --> 00:24:37,440
and that takes high school students

654
00:24:41,590 --> 00:24:40,000
and gives them a project to solve

655
00:24:43,990 --> 00:24:41,600
a problem they have to work together as

656
00:24:46,630 --> 00:24:44,000
a team it's totally

657
00:24:48,070 --> 00:24:46,640
funded by outside sources the people

658
00:24:49,830 --> 00:24:48,080
that put it together

659
00:24:52,070 --> 00:24:49,840
it's unbelievable what these kids would

660
00:24:53,669 --> 00:24:52,080
do and the the cha the final challenge

661
00:24:56,630 --> 00:24:53,679
where they compete

662
00:24:58,390 --> 00:24:56,640
is in washington dc and it's held at the

663
00:25:00,549 --> 00:24:58,400
air and space museum when they're done

664
00:25:01,669 --> 00:25:00,559
we have a reception and to see these

665
00:25:02,870 --> 00:25:01,679
young kids

666
00:25:05,110 --> 00:25:02,880
many of whom are going to go into

667
00:25:07,990 --> 00:25:05,120
stem-related fields

668
00:25:10,149 --> 00:25:08,000
working together on high-powered

669
00:25:12,390 --> 00:25:10,159
physics and engineering and coming up

670
00:25:15,190 --> 00:25:12,400
with everything they need to do it's

671
00:25:16,950 --> 00:25:15,200
phenomenal the lieutenant governors

672
00:25:19,110 --> 00:25:16,960
a bill was passed and

673
00:25:20,390 --> 00:25:19,120
a resolution that

674
00:25:22,230 --> 00:25:20,400
all of the states are going to

675
00:25:24,789 --> 00:25:22,240
participate and it's it's run through

676
00:25:26,390 --> 00:25:24,799
the lieutenant governor's office

677
00:25:27,350 --> 00:25:26,400
that'll be coming up starting in the

678
00:25:29,909 --> 00:25:27,360
fall

679
00:25:32,870 --> 00:25:29,919
another thing that i'm actively involved

680
00:25:35,590 --> 00:25:32,880
in has to do with the female and the

681
00:25:37,750 --> 00:25:35,600
gender side of of

682
00:25:39,350 --> 00:25:37,760
where i came to be and that is

683
00:25:41,350 --> 00:25:39,360
through a conference called girls plus

684
00:25:45,110 --> 00:25:41,360
math plus science equals success it was

685
00:25:47,590 --> 00:25:45,120
started on the west coast in 1990

686
00:25:49,669 --> 00:25:47,600
on the east coast they have a lot of

687
00:25:52,310 --> 00:25:49,679
conferences called girls excelling at

688
00:25:55,029 --> 00:25:52,320
math and science so it's gems again it's

689
00:25:58,549 --> 00:25:55,039
math and science based from the early

690
00:26:01,029 --> 00:25:58,559
90s as opposed to stem but we've now

691
00:26:02,789 --> 00:26:01,039
updated it so include stem and it's a

692
00:26:04,950 --> 00:26:02,799
career conference for

693
00:26:07,269 --> 00:26:04,960
for the young people grades five through

694
00:26:09,029 --> 00:26:07,279
high school to see

695
00:26:11,190 --> 00:26:09,039
role models

696
00:26:12,789 --> 00:26:11,200
if i were to say the two biggest things

697
00:26:14,789 --> 00:26:12,799
that i would

698
00:26:17,350 --> 00:26:14,799
think educators need to do is they need

699
00:26:19,430 --> 00:26:17,360
to provide role models with whether it's

700
00:26:20,789 --> 00:26:19,440
the teacher themselves or the people

701
00:26:24,470 --> 00:26:20,799
that they bring into the classroom

702
00:26:27,190 --> 00:26:24,480
through careers or conferences that kids

703
00:26:28,630 --> 00:26:27,200
actually get to see other people

704
00:26:31,269 --> 00:26:28,640
like themselves

705
00:26:33,110 --> 00:26:31,279
whether it be minorities females people

706
00:26:35,669 --> 00:26:33,120
with handicapping conditions people of

707
00:26:38,070 --> 00:26:35,679
different ethnicities and that

708
00:26:40,870 --> 00:26:38,080
that empowers them to say oh i can do

709
00:26:44,070 --> 00:26:41,830
and

710
00:26:46,710 --> 00:26:44,080
the conference is co-sponsored by the

711
00:26:48,710 --> 00:26:46,720
american association of university women

712
00:26:51,029 --> 00:26:48,720
and i can say when i first heard about

713
00:26:52,710 --> 00:26:51,039
it it's kind of a similar story to mary

714
00:26:54,470 --> 00:26:52,720
i thought the american association of

715
00:26:55,909 --> 00:26:54,480
university women

716
00:26:57,990 --> 00:26:55,919
okay

717
00:27:00,870 --> 00:26:58,000
were the wives of professors

718
00:27:02,149 --> 00:27:00,880
when i first heard about it 25 years ago

719
00:27:03,990 --> 00:27:02,159
and why

720
00:27:06,390 --> 00:27:04,000
there was nothing else to make me think

721
00:27:09,029 --> 00:27:06,400
anything different and so

722
00:27:10,710 --> 00:27:09,039
come a long way

723
00:27:13,590 --> 00:27:10,720
the first year that conference happened

724
00:27:16,390 --> 00:27:13,600
i i couldn't be a presenter because they

725
00:27:19,590 --> 00:27:16,400
only wanted non-traditional roles

726
00:27:21,990 --> 00:27:19,600
uh for women so a teacher was not one my

727
00:27:24,470 --> 00:27:22,000
sister working in the physical therapy

728
00:27:28,149 --> 00:27:24,480
field no not really but my youngest

729
00:27:30,070 --> 00:27:28,159
sister the chemical engineer in 1991

730
00:27:31,350 --> 00:27:30,080
her presentation was called hard hat and

731
00:27:32,950 --> 00:27:31,360
a dress

732
00:27:35,190 --> 00:27:32,960
because when she first got her job

733
00:27:36,950 --> 00:27:35,200
working for the utility company it was

734
00:27:39,430 --> 00:27:36,960
business dress they didn't know what to

735
00:27:41,430 --> 00:27:39,440
do with a female so they made her wear a

736
00:27:43,909 --> 00:27:41,440
dress but she had to wear steel-toed

737
00:27:45,510 --> 00:27:43,919
shoes shoes and a hard hat until they

738
00:27:47,029 --> 00:27:45,520
figured out what was what was

739
00:27:48,549 --> 00:27:47,039
appropriate and

740
00:27:52,230 --> 00:27:48,559
gosh that's only

741
00:27:56,149 --> 00:27:53,110
okay

742
00:27:59,269 --> 00:27:56,159
1991 i made a mistake

743
00:28:03,190 --> 00:27:59,279
the other thing that's coming up

744
00:28:04,789 --> 00:28:03,200
is the the 2012 united states of america

745
00:28:06,070 --> 00:28:04,799
science and engineering conference many

746
00:28:07,750 --> 00:28:06,080
of you have already talked to me about

747
00:28:09,029 --> 00:28:07,760
it today because you saw the flyers

748
00:28:11,510 --> 00:28:09,039
outside

749
00:28:13,430 --> 00:28:11,520
last year it was on 10 10 10.

750
00:28:15,909 --> 00:28:13,440
they even had some music that was

751
00:28:17,590 --> 00:28:15,919
created which is another part near and

752
00:28:19,350 --> 00:28:17,600
dear to my heart because i play violin

753
00:28:20,950 --> 00:28:19,360
in a symphony orchestra

754
00:28:23,350 --> 00:28:20,960
um

755
00:28:26,070 --> 00:28:23,360
the bringing of all the stem and across

756
00:28:28,230 --> 00:28:26,080
the country i encourage you to check it

757
00:28:30,310 --> 00:28:28,240
out and see what's going on there are

758
00:28:32,470 --> 00:28:30,320
packets banded out on the table i saw

759
00:28:34,070 --> 00:28:32,480
many of you just pulling out one or two

760
00:28:36,549 --> 00:28:34,080
there are three more boxes of those

761
00:28:39,269 --> 00:28:36,559
those are called save the date things

762
00:28:40,950 --> 00:28:39,279
um to get people involved all across the

763
00:28:42,630 --> 00:28:40,960
country just because it's the final

764
00:28:44,230 --> 00:28:42,640
thing is going to happen in dc doesn't

765
00:28:46,070 --> 00:28:44,240
mean there aren't all of these things

766
00:28:47,669 --> 00:28:46,080
we've been talking about today

767
00:28:48,950 --> 00:28:47,679
partnering with

768
00:28:51,430 --> 00:28:48,960
businesses

769
00:28:53,510 --> 00:28:51,440
bringing mentors in bringing scientists

770
00:28:56,789 --> 00:28:53,520
into the classroom having kids

771
00:28:58,710 --> 00:28:56,799
email questions to different scientists

772
00:28:59,990 --> 00:28:58,720
field trips and just getting everybody

773
00:29:02,230 --> 00:29:00,000
involved

774
00:29:04,710 --> 00:29:02,240
and the reason i'm here today is because

775
00:29:06,710 --> 00:29:04,720
of aiaa the american institute of

776
00:29:08,950 --> 00:29:06,720
aeronautics and astronautics i am an

777
00:29:11,029 --> 00:29:08,960
educator associate

778
00:29:13,510 --> 00:29:11,039
it's free and they invite me to all

779
00:29:18,789 --> 00:29:13,520
these different things i got to have

780
00:29:23,909 --> 00:29:21,990
the royal aeronautics society

781
00:29:25,669 --> 00:29:23,919
to talk about things that were happening

782
00:29:28,310 --> 00:29:25,679
and it's just there's just so many

783
00:29:31,510 --> 00:29:28,320
things out there that don't cost

784
00:29:33,110 --> 00:29:31,520
money for me per se as much as

785
00:29:34,789 --> 00:29:33,120
it's an investment thinking about the

786
00:29:36,549 --> 00:29:34,799
last panel

787
00:29:38,950 --> 00:29:36,559
yes it's an investment for the different

788
00:29:41,029 --> 00:29:38,960
organizations to get together but then

789
00:29:43,190 --> 00:29:41,039
to provide that for teachers so that we

790
00:29:45,590 --> 00:29:43,200
can then be excited and go back to the

791
00:29:48,310 --> 00:29:45,600
classroom and get kids excited and try

792
00:29:49,669 --> 00:29:48,320
to get other teachers involved is is oh

793
00:29:51,990 --> 00:29:49,679
so important

794
00:29:54,950 --> 00:29:52,000
and that brings me to the final thing

795
00:29:57,190 --> 00:29:54,960
that i want to say is my concern is that

796
00:29:59,909 --> 00:29:57,200
especially at the

797
00:30:03,029 --> 00:29:59,919
elementary level of having people who

798
00:30:03,909 --> 00:30:03,039
are knowledgeable about the content

799
00:30:06,149 --> 00:30:03,919
and

800
00:30:08,310 --> 00:30:06,159
if they're not knowledgeable

801
00:30:10,070 --> 00:30:08,320
still teaching it and finding out how to

802
00:30:12,470 --> 00:30:10,080
make the kids interested and learning

803
00:30:16,070 --> 00:30:12,480
with the kids to do the research

804
00:30:18,470 --> 00:30:16,080
i worry that we don't

805
00:30:20,630 --> 00:30:18,480
get the kids started enough

806
00:30:23,269 --> 00:30:20,640
early enough because we've become so

807
00:30:25,029 --> 00:30:23,279
focused on testing and

808
00:30:26,230 --> 00:30:25,039
that language arts and math are in the

809
00:30:29,029 --> 00:30:26,240
forefront and that's what you're going

810
00:30:31,350 --> 00:30:29,039
to be judged at so

811
00:30:34,070 --> 00:30:31,360
with that i will pass it on to an

812
00:30:35,990 --> 00:30:34,080
education person with nasa to michael

813
00:30:38,149 --> 00:30:36,000
leland um why don't you give a little

814
00:30:39,269 --> 00:30:38,159
bit of background um but i think folks

815
00:30:40,389 --> 00:30:39,279
have already heard a little bit about

816
00:30:42,789 --> 00:30:40,399
you and then we'll dive into some

817
00:30:45,350 --> 00:30:42,799
questions okay um

818
00:30:47,590 --> 00:30:45,360
middle school parents inspired me

819
00:30:50,549 --> 00:30:47,600
gave me tools to help me

820
00:30:51,430 --> 00:30:50,559
create things that fueled my curiosity

821
00:30:53,510 --> 00:30:51,440
and

822
00:30:55,029 --> 00:30:53,520
that allowed me to become an astronaut

823
00:30:56,230 --> 00:30:55,039
eventually flew in space a couple of

824
00:30:57,430 --> 00:30:56,240
times

825
00:31:00,389 --> 00:30:57,440
and

826
00:31:01,750 --> 00:31:00,399
my second flight i realized how

827
00:31:03,350 --> 00:31:01,760
impactful

828
00:31:05,430 --> 00:31:03,360
talking to kids from the international

829
00:31:07,830 --> 00:31:05,440
space station was because we did a

830
00:31:09,669 --> 00:31:07,840
radio show on the tom joyner show which

831
00:31:11,590 --> 00:31:09,679
the market is about 7 million people in

832
00:31:12,470 --> 00:31:11,600
the african-american community

833
00:31:14,389 --> 00:31:12,480
and

834
00:31:15,430 --> 00:31:14,399
when i got back from space

835
00:31:17,509 --> 00:31:15,440
there were

836
00:31:19,590 --> 00:31:17,519
mothers and fathers that were emailing

837
00:31:21,269 --> 00:31:19,600
me and writing me to tell me

838
00:31:22,789 --> 00:31:21,279
when they were driving their kids to

839
00:31:24,950 --> 00:31:22,799
work that morning there were two

840
00:31:27,269 --> 00:31:24,960
african-american astronauts in space who

841
00:31:29,669 --> 00:31:27,279
were calling down and talking to tom

842
00:31:31,669 --> 00:31:29,679
joyner and their kid wanted to become an

843
00:31:32,950 --> 00:31:31,679
astronaut instantly on that day they had

844
00:31:35,509 --> 00:31:32,960
never been interested in science and

845
00:31:39,350 --> 00:31:35,519
math but they heard this show and they

846
00:31:41,430 --> 00:31:39,360
were so inspired so over my 12 years as

847
00:31:43,110 --> 00:31:41,440
being an astronaut now the associate

848
00:31:44,630 --> 00:31:43,120
administrator for education i've

849
00:31:47,909 --> 00:31:44,640
probably talked to close to half a

850
00:31:50,789 --> 00:31:47,919
million students and we have to find the

851
00:31:52,870 --> 00:31:50,799
ways to reach all students we talk about

852
00:31:54,870 --> 00:31:52,880
diversity and access we've got to figure

853
00:31:57,029 --> 00:31:54,880
out a way that every student has an

854
00:31:59,029 --> 00:31:57,039
opportunity to make that choice

855
00:32:00,389 --> 00:31:59,039
and so that's something that michael

856
00:32:01,830 --> 00:32:00,399
that we we've been trying to do with

857
00:32:03,509 --> 00:32:01,840
programs like summer of innovation and

858
00:32:04,870 --> 00:32:03,519
21 century learning

859
00:32:07,029 --> 00:32:04,880
um

860
00:32:09,190 --> 00:32:07,039
all the assets that nasa has at its

861
00:32:11,269 --> 00:32:09,200
disposal to help inspire and motivate

862
00:32:13,269 --> 00:32:11,279
everyone so

863
00:32:15,350 --> 00:32:13,279
great thank you all so we're starting to

864
00:32:17,350 --> 00:32:15,360
get some questions in um

865
00:32:18,870 --> 00:32:17,360
from our twitter feed and um i think

866
00:32:20,789 --> 00:32:18,880
there'll be some questions from the

867
00:32:23,669 --> 00:32:20,799
audience please keep those coming i'm

868
00:32:25,190 --> 00:32:23,679
going to begin with this one um

869
00:32:27,669 --> 00:32:25,200
which gets it something susan i think

870
00:32:30,630 --> 00:32:27,679
you touched on a little bit

871
00:32:32,630 --> 00:32:30,640
how does today's focus on grades and

872
00:32:35,110 --> 00:32:32,640
test scores and

873
00:32:38,310 --> 00:32:35,120
ten-year rules um

874
00:32:41,190 --> 00:32:38,320
i editorialized both at the k-12 level

875
00:32:43,350 --> 00:32:41,200
and at the um at the higher ed level

876
00:32:45,029 --> 00:32:43,360
impact how students are prepared for

877
00:32:47,669 --> 00:32:45,039
college and interested in careers in

878
00:32:47,679 --> 00:32:52,789
go ahead and others chime in eluded um

879
00:32:59,430 --> 00:32:56,950
there is so much pressure on test scores

880
00:33:02,230 --> 00:32:59,440
that oftentimes

881
00:33:03,669 --> 00:33:02,240
especially teachers just coming

882
00:33:05,190 --> 00:33:03,679
out of college

883
00:33:08,230 --> 00:33:05,200
they are told well you've got to make

884
00:33:10,870 --> 00:33:08,240
sure that your students perform and

885
00:33:13,350 --> 00:33:10,880
because if the the emphasis is so much

886
00:33:14,870 --> 00:33:13,360
on language arts and math and yes math

887
00:33:17,269 --> 00:33:14,880
is part of stem

888
00:33:18,870 --> 00:33:17,279
but it's it's more for taking the test

889
00:33:20,310 --> 00:33:18,880
multiple choice and things like that

890
00:33:21,750 --> 00:33:20,320
it's not getting into the critical

891
00:33:22,950 --> 00:33:21,760
thinking and all the kinds of things

892
00:33:25,509 --> 00:33:22,960
that we know

893
00:33:28,070 --> 00:33:25,519
math needs to have in order to

894
00:33:29,350 --> 00:33:28,080
to support science and to support a good

895
00:33:31,269 --> 00:33:29,360
healthy student

896
00:33:32,789 --> 00:33:31,279
and it's very hard

897
00:33:34,070 --> 00:33:32,799
you can see from the program how long

898
00:33:36,630 --> 00:33:34,080
i've been teaching

899
00:33:38,630 --> 00:33:36,640
i still encounter people who have a hard

900
00:33:40,470 --> 00:33:38,640
time with the fact that

901
00:33:41,750 --> 00:33:40,480
i'm integrating and talking about all

902
00:33:42,950 --> 00:33:41,760
different kinds of things while i'm

903
00:33:45,190 --> 00:33:42,960
teaching

904
00:33:47,029 --> 00:33:45,200
and bringing in hands-on and having the

905
00:33:49,110 --> 00:33:47,039
kids discover instead of taking the

906
00:33:50,950 --> 00:33:49,120
teacher's guide that says this is what

907
00:33:53,430 --> 00:33:50,960
the lesson is today

908
00:33:55,669 --> 00:33:53,440
i gave my kids a box of wires and light

909
00:33:56,870 --> 00:33:55,679
bulbs and batteries and

910
00:33:59,110 --> 00:33:56,880
said okay

911
00:34:02,230 --> 00:33:59,120
make them light see what you can do

912
00:34:04,310 --> 00:34:02,240
and within 10 minutes not only did they

913
00:34:06,389 --> 00:34:04,320
have them lit but the ones who didn't

914
00:34:07,830 --> 00:34:06,399
were showing the other kids why theirs

915
00:34:09,909 --> 00:34:07,840
wasn't lighting up because they would

916
00:34:11,109 --> 00:34:09,919
all come tell me the batteries were dead

917
00:34:13,510 --> 00:34:11,119
they didn't know

918
00:34:15,109 --> 00:34:13,520
about having positive and negative and

919
00:34:16,629 --> 00:34:15,119
but they discovered it on their own and

920
00:34:18,629 --> 00:34:16,639
then they could teach the other ones and

921
00:34:19,589 --> 00:34:18,639
then they wanted to to go on from there

922
00:34:21,589 --> 00:34:19,599
and

923
00:34:23,589 --> 00:34:21,599
people are afraid that if you don't

924
00:34:25,190 --> 00:34:23,599
teach exactly what's there oh i'm not

925
00:34:26,950 --> 00:34:25,200
going to be okay

926
00:34:28,550 --> 00:34:26,960
so i still have to prove myself every

927
00:34:30,069 --> 00:34:28,560
year my kids do really well on their

928
00:34:31,990 --> 00:34:30,079
test scores

929
00:34:34,550 --> 00:34:32,000
and on other things as well not just

930
00:34:37,349 --> 00:34:34,560
that but that's the hard thing right now

931
00:34:39,430 --> 00:34:37,359
they're so concerned and justifiably so

932
00:34:41,270 --> 00:34:39,440
in a lot of states you are held

933
00:34:42,869 --> 00:34:41,280
accountable for how well your kids do on

934
00:34:45,669 --> 00:34:42,879
test scores

935
00:34:49,430 --> 00:34:47,270
you know yeah go ahead of course just

936
00:34:51,750 --> 00:34:49,440
chime in i think the there's an

937
00:34:53,510 --> 00:34:51,760
equivalent sort of phenomenon that goes

938
00:34:56,710 --> 00:34:53,520
on at the university level which is that

939
00:34:59,190 --> 00:34:56,720
we have a cadre of honors students who

940
00:35:02,310 --> 00:34:59,200
are very concerned about gpa

941
00:35:04,310 --> 00:35:02,320
and doing as well as possible on all

942
00:35:05,670 --> 00:35:04,320
their exams of course which is a

943
00:35:07,510 --> 00:35:05,680
wonderful thing

944
00:35:10,310 --> 00:35:07,520
and um

945
00:35:12,790 --> 00:35:10,320
there are times when these absolute

946
00:35:14,310 --> 00:35:12,800
top-notch students are basically getting

947
00:35:16,790 --> 00:35:14,320
the message that doesn't matter if you

948
00:35:18,550 --> 00:35:16,800
do any hands-on stuff for an engineering

949
00:35:21,109 --> 00:35:18,560
undergraduate curriculum what what

950
00:35:22,870 --> 00:35:21,119
matters is doing well on the exams

951
00:35:24,069 --> 00:35:22,880
getting a's in your courses

952
00:35:26,230 --> 00:35:24,079
and

953
00:35:28,630 --> 00:35:26,240
fortunately that is

954
00:35:30,630 --> 00:35:28,640
taken care of somewhat by

955
00:35:33,910 --> 00:35:30,640
most engineering programs certainly ours

956
00:35:34,710 --> 00:35:33,920
has a capstone design requirement

957
00:35:37,829 --> 00:35:34,720
where

958
00:35:40,950 --> 00:35:37,839
in in our case we usually try to do some

959
00:35:42,710 --> 00:35:40,960
hands-on engineering but it is perfectly

960
00:35:44,390 --> 00:35:42,720
possible in fact it used to be the case

961
00:35:45,670 --> 00:35:44,400
especially in space

962
00:35:47,349 --> 00:35:45,680
on the space side of aerospace

963
00:35:48,950 --> 00:35:47,359
engineering that we would

964
00:35:50,470 --> 00:35:48,960
have students go through an entire

965
00:35:51,670 --> 00:35:50,480
four-year program

966
00:35:53,990 --> 00:35:51,680
and

967
00:35:56,310 --> 00:35:54,000
truly never use a wrench

968
00:35:59,750 --> 00:35:56,320
never get their hands dirty

969
00:36:03,430 --> 00:35:59,760
the senior design effort was um analysis

970
00:36:06,390 --> 00:36:03,440
and theoretical and paper studies and i

971
00:36:09,510 --> 00:36:06,400
i think it's unfortunate um

972
00:36:11,990 --> 00:36:09,520
this has resulted in a um

973
00:36:13,190 --> 00:36:12,000
a a rule that my husband who happens to

974
00:36:16,230 --> 00:36:13,200
be a

975
00:36:18,230 --> 00:36:16,240
professor here at the university as well

976
00:36:21,349 --> 00:36:18,240
when he's looking for graduate students

977
00:36:23,910 --> 00:36:21,359
he does not want the 4.0 he doesn't

978
00:36:26,990 --> 00:36:23,920
necessarily want students who have the

979
00:36:30,710 --> 00:36:27,000
top gpa he wants the students with

980
00:36:33,349 --> 00:36:30,720
3.5 to 3.8 who have the experience with

981
00:36:34,950 --> 00:36:33,359
projects and um

982
00:36:37,030 --> 00:36:34,960
i what i'm seeing more and more is

983
00:36:39,190 --> 00:36:37,040
companies are ha ha sort of have the

984
00:36:42,150 --> 00:36:39,200
same attitude everybody

985
00:36:43,910 --> 00:36:42,160
will love a person with a 4.0 gpa don't

986
00:36:45,750 --> 00:36:43,920
don't get me wrong but

987
00:36:47,750 --> 00:36:45,760
the ones that have maybe a slightly

988
00:36:49,430 --> 00:36:47,760
lower gpa but have experience with

989
00:36:54,069 --> 00:36:49,440
hands-on projects that's what we want to

990
00:36:57,349 --> 00:36:55,910
just want to add one thing the problem

991
00:36:59,190 --> 00:36:57,359
here is

992
00:37:02,230 --> 00:36:59,200
in my in my uh

993
00:37:03,910 --> 00:37:02,240
opinion is not just the uh uh

994
00:37:05,670 --> 00:37:03,920
trying to reach the highest grade

995
00:37:08,310 --> 00:37:05,680
possible because that may be a

996
00:37:09,910 --> 00:37:08,320
motivational thing for for some students

997
00:37:11,750 --> 00:37:09,920
is the problem when this becomes the

998
00:37:13,990 --> 00:37:11,760
goal and the objective

999
00:37:17,190 --> 00:37:14,000
from the learning procedure or the

1000
00:37:19,270 --> 00:37:17,200
learning process itself

1001
00:37:21,190 --> 00:37:19,280
there's part that is considered to be

1002
00:37:22,470 --> 00:37:21,200
principles and theory in this part that

1003
00:37:23,990 --> 00:37:22,480
is practical

1004
00:37:25,910 --> 00:37:24,000
and everybody

1005
00:37:28,710 --> 00:37:25,920
ought to be doing well and probably

1006
00:37:30,150 --> 00:37:28,720
grading is the one of the ways

1007
00:37:32,790 --> 00:37:30,160
to assess how

1008
00:37:34,870 --> 00:37:32,800
at least up to this point i i didn't see

1009
00:37:37,510 --> 00:37:34,880
anything that works better than that to

1010
00:37:40,470 --> 00:37:37,520
assess how how the students are are

1011
00:37:44,150 --> 00:37:42,390
but the problem is when

1012
00:37:46,390 --> 00:37:44,160
they put their goal

1013
00:37:49,109 --> 00:37:46,400
on to getting the highest grade not

1014
00:37:50,710 --> 00:37:49,119
learning and then finding out what

1015
00:37:55,670 --> 00:37:50,720
the effect of their learning on their

1016
00:37:58,870 --> 00:37:57,510
i want to um

1017
00:38:00,710 --> 00:37:58,880
sort of

1018
00:38:01,910 --> 00:38:00,720
shift a little bit we heard each of the

1019
00:38:04,310 --> 00:38:01,920
panels talk

1020
00:38:06,150 --> 00:38:04,320
a bit about how they got inspired and

1021
00:38:07,829 --> 00:38:06,160
your story about the tom joyner show

1022
00:38:10,150 --> 00:38:07,839
that's a

1023
00:38:13,430 --> 00:38:10,160
pretty exciting story

1024
00:38:15,910 --> 00:38:13,440
can you all now talk a little bit about

1025
00:38:17,829 --> 00:38:15,920
after that moment of inspiration what do

1026
00:38:19,750 --> 00:38:17,839
we have to do to keep kids engaged

1027
00:38:20,950 --> 00:38:19,760
because a single moment a single radio

1028
00:38:21,750 --> 00:38:20,960
show is great

1029
00:38:23,349 --> 00:38:21,760
but

1030
00:38:24,870 --> 00:38:23,359
what do we have to do to keep those kids

1031
00:38:26,390 --> 00:38:24,880
engaged

1032
00:38:27,829 --> 00:38:26,400
you know over the course of their

1033
00:38:29,030 --> 00:38:27,839
educational experience what works and

1034
00:38:31,510 --> 00:38:29,040
what doesn't work

1035
00:38:33,109 --> 00:38:31,520
i think one of the things that that nasa

1036
00:38:35,589 --> 00:38:33,119
can do you know we've

1037
00:38:37,829 --> 00:38:35,599
been charged to in look at the entire

1038
00:38:40,550 --> 00:38:37,839
pipeline from k to gray

1039
00:38:42,550 --> 00:38:40,560
but you know i don't think you know with

1040
00:38:44,069 --> 00:38:42,560
budgetary constraints and so forth that

1041
00:38:46,230 --> 00:38:44,079
we can cover

1042
00:38:47,910 --> 00:38:46,240
the entire pipeline and take that to

1043
00:38:49,670 --> 00:38:47,920
scale at the same time

1044
00:38:51,430 --> 00:38:49,680
so it's it's very important as i

1045
00:38:54,230 --> 00:38:51,440
mentioned earlier that we have strategic

1046
00:38:56,630 --> 00:38:54,240
partners that we partner with that say

1047
00:38:57,990 --> 00:38:56,640
take a portion of that pipeline and we

1048
00:38:59,510 --> 00:38:58,000
all work together to make sure that

1049
00:39:00,470 --> 00:38:59,520
those kids are getting the fundamentals

1050
00:39:02,470 --> 00:39:00,480
they need

1051
00:39:04,390 --> 00:39:02,480
but also it's the teachers you know in

1052
00:39:06,069 --> 00:39:04,400
the in the earlier grades that aren't

1053
00:39:08,310 --> 00:39:06,079
necessarily trained

1054
00:39:10,470 --> 00:39:08,320
to be scientists or engineers but

1055
00:39:13,190 --> 00:39:10,480
they're teaching science so how does

1056
00:39:15,109 --> 00:39:13,200
nasa engage these maybe middle school

1057
00:39:18,069 --> 00:39:15,119
teachers because if they're not as

1058
00:39:20,230 --> 00:39:18,079
motivated to say you susan they there's

1059
00:39:21,589 --> 00:39:20,240
a there's a deficit there for them maybe

1060
00:39:23,829 --> 00:39:21,599
understanding some of the things that

1061
00:39:26,550 --> 00:39:23,839
the kids need to learn to turn them on

1062
00:39:28,710 --> 00:39:26,560
to be scientists and engineers so if we

1063
00:39:30,950 --> 00:39:28,720
can use the you know the federal space

1064
00:39:34,310 --> 00:39:30,960
to help maybe some of those teachers

1065
00:39:36,390 --> 00:39:34,320
and like i said we flew this um we had

1066
00:39:38,310 --> 00:39:36,400
teachers flying on this uh

1067
00:39:39,430 --> 00:39:38,320
this microgravity plane a couple of

1068
00:39:41,750 --> 00:39:39,440
weeks ago

1069
00:39:44,230 --> 00:39:41,760
and they were doing experiments and

1070
00:39:46,470 --> 00:39:44,240
learning you know experiential hands-on

1071
00:39:48,710 --> 00:39:46,480
things that they probably didn't do in a

1072
00:39:51,589 --> 00:39:48,720
classroom before before this

1073
00:39:53,829 --> 00:39:51,599
and the the re-engagement of the

1074
00:39:55,430 --> 00:39:53,839
teachers and the students and then

1075
00:39:56,390 --> 00:39:55,440
keeping them engaged throughout the nasa

1076
00:39:58,310 --> 00:39:56,400
pipeline

1077
00:39:59,190 --> 00:39:58,320
dr mabel matthews has set up something

1078
00:40:01,270 --> 00:39:59,200
called

1079
00:40:03,670 --> 00:40:01,280
one stop shopping initiative

1080
00:40:06,710 --> 00:40:03,680
where if you go to intern.nasa.gov

1081
00:40:08,790 --> 00:40:06,720
a student can get into the nasa pipeline

1082
00:40:10,790 --> 00:40:08,800
and see what opportunities are available

1083
00:40:13,270 --> 00:40:10,800
right now it's for high school and

1084
00:40:15,510 --> 00:40:13,280
college students but if we extended this

1085
00:40:17,990 --> 00:40:15,520
extended this down into the

1086
00:40:19,990 --> 00:40:18,000
middle school and elementary school

1087
00:40:22,069 --> 00:40:20,000
then we could attach and we have to get

1088
00:40:24,069 --> 00:40:22,079
parental consent but attach

1089
00:40:26,069 --> 00:40:24,079
an id to a student and be able to blast

1090
00:40:28,230 --> 00:40:26,079
them out all the opportunities

1091
00:40:30,309 --> 00:40:28,240
throughout their career throughout their

1092
00:40:31,670 --> 00:40:30,319
pipeline and then they could see all the

1093
00:40:33,990 --> 00:40:31,680
nasa type

1094
00:40:35,910 --> 00:40:34,000
related activities that they could do

1095
00:40:38,309 --> 00:40:35,920
and to keep them re-engaged into

1096
00:40:39,589 --> 00:40:38,319
missions that are going up juno grail

1097
00:40:41,750 --> 00:40:39,599
all the things that are happening with

1098
00:40:43,190 --> 00:40:41,760
nasa the really cool stuff then they can

1099
00:40:45,829 --> 00:40:43,200
find out about it throughout their

1100
00:40:48,150 --> 00:40:45,839
entire pipeline and also the resources

1101
00:40:51,990 --> 00:40:48,160
for you know graduate school and and

1102
00:40:56,069 --> 00:40:53,589
anyone else

1103
00:40:58,790 --> 00:40:56,079
i think keeping them involved

1104
00:41:00,470 --> 00:40:58,800
once you've realized that spark i found

1105
00:41:02,630 --> 00:41:00,480
it effective

1106
00:41:04,710 --> 00:41:02,640
that you find out from kids at the

1107
00:41:07,030 --> 00:41:04,720
beginning of the school year

1108
00:41:08,710 --> 00:41:07,040
the things in which they're interested

1109
00:41:10,230 --> 00:41:08,720
no matter what it is

1110
00:41:12,950 --> 00:41:10,240
even if it's favorite colors at the

1111
00:41:14,150 --> 00:41:12,960
youngest level and who their icons are

1112
00:41:16,150 --> 00:41:14,160
that was a

1113
00:41:18,470 --> 00:41:16,160
an eye-opening experience as well i

1114
00:41:20,630 --> 00:41:18,480
remember doing that

1115
00:41:23,030 --> 00:41:20,640
and then once you find that there's that

1116
00:41:24,630 --> 00:41:23,040
spark then you can

1117
00:41:27,030 --> 00:41:24,640
put them into different places there

1118
00:41:28,950 --> 00:41:27,040
have been lots of programs that support

1119
00:41:31,589 --> 00:41:28,960
kids in what they're interested a lot of

1120
00:41:33,670 --> 00:41:31,599
it has to do with the grants and

1121
00:41:37,190 --> 00:41:33,680
i i got a grant through the virginia

1122
00:41:39,750 --> 00:41:37,200
space grant consortium um and it it

1123
00:41:41,910 --> 00:41:39,760
program it was how to

1124
00:41:44,710 --> 00:41:41,920
do better with the gender

1125
00:41:47,510 --> 00:41:44,720
based programs for stem in schools and

1126
00:41:49,349 --> 00:41:47,520
it was amazing to see the teachers who

1127
00:41:50,630 --> 00:41:49,359
would sit there and

1128
00:41:52,470 --> 00:41:50,640
talk about

1129
00:41:54,870 --> 00:41:52,480
something that was obvious but it it

1130
00:41:57,349 --> 00:41:54,880
didn't until they got to brainstorm

1131
00:42:00,630 --> 00:41:57,359
together the synergistic approach

1132
00:42:02,630 --> 00:42:00,640
just was was amazing i

1133
00:42:04,150 --> 00:42:02,640
i had an apprentice program for third

1134
00:42:05,510 --> 00:42:04,160
through fifth graders once we knew that

1135
00:42:07,109 --> 00:42:05,520
they were interested in stuff more than

1136
00:42:09,349 --> 00:42:07,119
just a career day they actually got to

1137
00:42:12,069 --> 00:42:09,359
sit down and work with scientists

1138
00:42:14,069 --> 00:42:12,079
working with peers um or just a little

1139
00:42:15,750 --> 00:42:14,079
bit older when the robotics team comes

1140
00:42:18,790 --> 00:42:15,760
in from the high school or middle school

1141
00:42:20,150 --> 00:42:18,800
to the elementary school these kids

1142
00:42:22,230 --> 00:42:20,160
you can't stop

1143
00:42:24,150 --> 00:42:22,240
you know they that would maintain it

1144
00:42:26,630 --> 00:42:24,160
because they see that it's out there and

1145
00:42:28,069 --> 00:42:26,640
it's attainable and it's closer to them

1146
00:42:30,309 --> 00:42:28,079
as opposed to

1147
00:42:31,109 --> 00:42:30,319
somebody that may be 25 years older than

1148
00:42:31,990 --> 00:42:31,119
them

1149
00:42:34,390 --> 00:42:32,000
um

1150
00:42:37,670 --> 00:42:34,400
they have somebody that's just

1151
00:42:39,030 --> 00:42:37,680
to them one of their peers so

1152
00:42:40,230 --> 00:42:39,040
mary did you want to chime in and then

1153
00:42:41,990 --> 00:42:40,240
we've got a couple of questions the

1154
00:42:43,030 --> 00:42:42,000
audience too i think i'd just like to

1155
00:42:45,030 --> 00:42:43,040
add that

1156
00:42:47,670 --> 00:42:45,040
i i have a little bit of a concern that

1157
00:42:49,589 --> 00:42:47,680
students in the um grade school do

1158
00:42:51,109 --> 00:42:49,599
projects and they they find out that

1159
00:42:52,790 --> 00:42:51,119
engineering is fun and that's wonderful

1160
00:42:55,349 --> 00:42:52,800
but they also think sometimes that

1161
00:42:58,470 --> 00:42:55,359
engineering is just fun and that it's

1162
00:43:00,630 --> 00:42:58,480
easy maybe too easy and

1163
00:43:02,390 --> 00:43:00,640
some of these students will come into a

1164
00:43:03,990 --> 00:43:02,400
freshman year in an engineering program

1165
00:43:05,349 --> 00:43:04,000
and suddenly they find that engineering

1166
00:43:07,190 --> 00:43:05,359
is hard

1167
00:43:10,150 --> 00:43:07,200
it's very difficult there's a lot of

1168
00:43:12,230 --> 00:43:10,160
work to it and i make a point at the

1169
00:43:14,230 --> 00:43:12,240
beginning of every freshman course that

1170
00:43:16,950 --> 00:43:14,240
i teach to say yes

1171
00:43:18,870 --> 00:43:16,960
engineering is very hard engineering is

1172
00:43:21,190 --> 00:43:18,880
tremendously difficult work hard

1173
00:43:22,150 --> 00:43:21,200
everybody would be doing it and

1174
00:43:23,510 --> 00:43:22,160
but

1175
00:43:26,309 --> 00:43:23,520
there's another part to this message

1176
00:43:27,670 --> 00:43:26,319
which is that anyone i believe can be an

1177
00:43:29,990 --> 00:43:27,680
engineer

1178
00:43:32,069 --> 00:43:30,000
if you work hard enough and what we

1179
00:43:34,870 --> 00:43:32,079
provide we try to provide and i think

1180
00:43:36,870 --> 00:43:34,880
one of the the um important things is

1181
00:43:38,950 --> 00:43:36,880
when students get into stem

1182
00:43:41,190 --> 00:43:38,960
it's not just getting in they have to

1183
00:43:42,309 --> 00:43:41,200
have the support when they're struggling

1184
00:43:44,309 --> 00:43:42,319
and when they're working hard and

1185
00:43:46,790 --> 00:43:44,319
they're not figuring things out

1186
00:43:49,270 --> 00:43:46,800
it's it's very important to i mean i'm

1187
00:43:50,950 --> 00:43:49,280
talking at the university level to have

1188
00:43:52,710 --> 00:43:50,960
these students have a whole support

1189
00:43:54,390 --> 00:43:52,720
system of their peers

1190
00:43:56,150 --> 00:43:54,400
and a teaching assistants and the

1191
00:43:57,430 --> 00:43:56,160
faculty who are there to answer

1192
00:44:00,390 --> 00:43:57,440
questions and help them through the

1193
00:44:02,870 --> 00:44:00,400
process the support system is essential

1194
00:44:07,510 --> 00:44:02,880
once they're in and inspired and ready

1195
00:44:10,710 --> 00:44:09,349
how about uh the gentleman the back

1196
00:44:13,349 --> 00:44:10,720
there standing up the microphone you

1197
00:44:14,630 --> 00:44:13,359
have a question for us yeah um again

1198
00:44:16,950 --> 00:44:14,640
greg shuckman from the university of

1199
00:44:17,670 --> 00:44:16,960
central florida before i was at ucf i

1200
00:44:19,109 --> 00:44:17,680
was

1201
00:44:21,030 --> 00:44:19,119
uh with the american association of

1202
00:44:23,349 --> 00:44:21,040
engineering societies and so i spent a

1203
00:44:25,750 --> 00:44:23,359
lot of time looking at the workforce

1204
00:44:27,349 --> 00:44:25,760
issues and

1205
00:44:29,430 --> 00:44:27,359
we also had the engineering workforce

1206
00:44:31,670 --> 00:44:29,440
commission which had longitudinal data

1207
00:44:33,349 --> 00:44:31,680
going back to the 50s in terms of

1208
00:44:34,309 --> 00:44:33,359
degrees and enrollments

1209
00:44:37,349 --> 00:44:34,319
so

1210
00:44:39,030 --> 00:44:37,359
i'd looked at 86 to 96 was at aes and

1211
00:44:40,870 --> 00:44:39,040
then when i went to ucf i said you know

1212
00:44:43,430 --> 00:44:40,880
let me look at how things have gone

1213
00:44:45,190 --> 00:44:43,440
since from 2006.

1214
00:44:46,470 --> 00:44:45,200
what was interesting is that over those

1215
00:44:47,829 --> 00:44:46,480
20 years

1216
00:44:49,670 --> 00:44:47,839
the number of students who had earned

1217
00:44:51,910 --> 00:44:49,680
baccalaureate degrees in all fields had

1218
00:44:53,349 --> 00:44:51,920
gone up over 50 percent

1219
00:44:54,710 --> 00:44:53,359
in the u.s

1220
00:44:56,069 --> 00:44:54,720
the number of students who had earned

1221
00:44:58,150 --> 00:44:56,079
baccalaureate degrees in engineering

1222
00:44:59,910 --> 00:44:58,160
over that same period went down almost 3

1223
00:45:01,270 --> 00:44:59,920
percent

1224
00:45:02,790 --> 00:45:01,280
and i looked at it state by state

1225
00:45:06,630 --> 00:45:02,800
maryland happens to be one of the

1226
00:45:07,510 --> 00:45:06,640
winners we went up 37 during that time

1227
00:45:09,349 --> 00:45:07,520
but

1228
00:45:11,270 --> 00:45:09,359
in getting to your point leland when you

1229
00:45:13,750 --> 00:45:11,280
look at the representation

1230
00:45:15,589 --> 00:45:13,760
of the engineering workforce and the

1231
00:45:18,309 --> 00:45:15,599
engineering students

1232
00:45:19,750 --> 00:45:18,319
57 percent of the undergraduates today

1233
00:45:22,470 --> 00:45:19,760
are women

1234
00:45:24,630 --> 00:45:22,480
and we struggle to hit that 20 mark for

1235
00:45:27,270 --> 00:45:24,640
women in engineering programs

1236
00:45:29,750 --> 00:45:27,280
it's even worse for for um

1237
00:45:31,670 --> 00:45:29,760
underrepresented students in

1238
00:45:35,270 --> 00:45:31,680
african americans and hispanics when you

1239
00:45:37,670 --> 00:45:35,280
go up to graduate level it becomes worse

1240
00:45:39,829 --> 00:45:37,680
so the question is

1241
00:45:41,910 --> 00:45:39,839
how do you reach out

1242
00:45:44,950 --> 00:45:41,920
getting to your point about

1243
00:45:46,950 --> 00:45:44,960
really digging down into the grades

1244
00:45:48,710 --> 00:45:46,960
not even middle school but elementary

1245
00:45:50,710 --> 00:45:48,720
school i remember a study from the

1246
00:45:52,390 --> 00:45:50,720
national science foundation years ago

1247
00:45:54,390 --> 00:45:52,400
and they looked at when

1248
00:45:57,030 --> 00:45:54,400
girls made the choice

1249
00:45:59,670 --> 00:45:57,040
of whether to go to a stem-oriented

1250
00:46:02,550 --> 00:45:59,680
career or non-stem-oriented career

1251
00:46:04,390 --> 00:46:02,560
and it was 12 years old it was a sixth

1252
00:46:05,910 --> 00:46:04,400
grade so basically if you didn't get

1253
00:46:07,190 --> 00:46:05,920
them by that point

1254
00:46:09,670 --> 00:46:07,200
they're already going to be off the

1255
00:46:11,109 --> 00:46:09,680
rails in terms of having the coursework

1256
00:46:13,910 --> 00:46:11,119
and the preparation they needed to to

1257
00:46:16,230 --> 00:46:13,920
succeed in a very rigorous stem career

1258
00:46:17,670 --> 00:46:16,240
so when you talk about all these

1259
00:46:18,710 --> 00:46:17,680
different outreach and the strategic

1260
00:46:21,510 --> 00:46:18,720
partners

1261
00:46:24,470 --> 00:46:21,520
nasa is probably the most exciting

1262
00:46:26,630 --> 00:46:24,480
federal agency

1263
00:46:29,589 --> 00:46:26,640
program

1264
00:46:32,470 --> 00:46:29,599
of any i mean what's more exciting than

1265
00:46:33,510 --> 00:46:32,480
than being able to go beyond

1266
00:46:36,150 --> 00:46:33,520
and so

1267
00:46:37,829 --> 00:46:36,160
i guess my question is

1268
00:46:39,990 --> 00:46:37,839
informal science education is taking a

1269
00:46:41,589 --> 00:46:40,000
real hit in the budget and so we do need

1270
00:46:43,190 --> 00:46:41,599
to rely on these partnerships more and

1271
00:46:45,750 --> 00:46:43,200
more between government industry and

1272
00:46:47,670 --> 00:46:45,760
academe and in the media

1273
00:46:49,510 --> 00:46:47,680
do you have a plan

1274
00:46:50,470 --> 00:46:49,520
for reaching out especially to those

1275
00:46:51,750 --> 00:46:50,480
younger

1276
00:46:52,870 --> 00:46:51,760
students

1277
00:46:54,550 --> 00:46:52,880
and the parents of those younger

1278
00:46:56,230 --> 00:46:54,560
students to help them

1279
00:46:58,309 --> 00:46:56,240
become more engaged in the stem career

1280
00:47:00,230 --> 00:46:58,319
particularly for women and minorities

1281
00:47:01,829 --> 00:47:00,240
yeah nasa currently has a program called

1282
00:47:03,430 --> 00:47:01,839
sema which

1283
00:47:04,870 --> 00:47:03,440
actually it's for underrepresented

1284
00:47:06,630 --> 00:47:04,880
underserved students

1285
00:47:10,150 --> 00:47:06,640
that reaches out not only to the

1286
00:47:12,390 --> 00:47:10,160
students in in the the younger ages but

1287
00:47:14,870 --> 00:47:12,400
also to their parents to bring the

1288
00:47:16,790 --> 00:47:14,880
parents to a sema session to let the

1289
00:47:18,790 --> 00:47:16,800
parents know that you don't have to be

1290
00:47:21,430 --> 00:47:18,800
an engineer to raise an engineer and i

1291
00:47:22,630 --> 00:47:21,440
think a lot of times our our parents or

1292
00:47:24,790 --> 00:47:22,640
the adults

1293
00:47:27,589 --> 00:47:24,800
are the worst

1294
00:47:29,109 --> 00:47:27,599
advocate for stem education because

1295
00:47:30,390 --> 00:47:29,119
first of all they already think it's

1296
00:47:32,150 --> 00:47:30,400
hard they can't do it i don't know math

1297
00:47:33,670 --> 00:47:32,160
i don't know science so if i don't know

1298
00:47:35,430 --> 00:47:33,680
it then you're not going to know it and

1299
00:47:38,470 --> 00:47:35,440
the kids get turned off to it so they

1300
00:47:40,230 --> 00:47:38,480
need people that are able to you know

1301
00:47:42,309 --> 00:47:40,240
you know spread that message that even

1302
00:47:44,309 --> 00:47:42,319
look like them because i've talked to so

1303
00:47:45,990 --> 00:47:44,319
many kids that say well how did you

1304
00:47:47,430 --> 00:47:46,000
become an astronaut you know you don't

1305
00:47:49,349 --> 00:47:47,440
have a military crew cut so they first

1306
00:47:51,910 --> 00:47:49,359
have to be a military person but then

1307
00:47:53,349 --> 00:47:51,920
they see the other side and oh well i

1308
00:47:55,829 --> 00:47:53,359
don't see many black astronauts i don't

1309
00:47:57,750 --> 00:47:55,839
see many female astronauts and that part

1310
00:47:59,589 --> 00:47:57,760
of it you have to really drill down and

1311
00:48:02,230 --> 00:47:59,599
let the kids see someone that looks like

1312
00:48:04,230 --> 00:48:02,240
them so that's media that's partnering

1313
00:48:06,309 --> 00:48:04,240
with entertainment

1314
00:48:08,870 --> 00:48:06,319
industry council that's partnering with

1315
00:48:10,309 --> 00:48:08,880
you know your your your entertainers and

1316
00:48:12,950 --> 00:48:10,319
your ball players because those are the

1317
00:48:15,109 --> 00:48:12,960
people that are visible so the sema

1318
00:48:16,950 --> 00:48:15,119
program we have you know other programs

1319
00:48:18,630 --> 00:48:16,960
which summer of innovation reaching

1320
00:48:20,390 --> 00:48:18,640
underrepresented underserved but you

1321
00:48:22,150 --> 00:48:20,400
just got to keep that exposure you got

1322
00:48:23,750 --> 00:48:22,160
to keep going at it and it's in the

1323
00:48:25,750 --> 00:48:23,760
partnership pieces is so critical

1324
00:48:27,670 --> 00:48:25,760
because you need mentors also that as

1325
00:48:29,430 --> 00:48:27,680
you get through the pipeline you're

1326
00:48:31,109 --> 00:48:29,440
you're you know if you're not engaged

1327
00:48:32,950 --> 00:48:31,119
with the programs and you need someone's

1328
00:48:34,870 --> 00:48:32,960
going to keep at them i mean even in

1329
00:48:36,710 --> 00:48:34,880
college and undergraduate and graduate

1330
00:48:38,390 --> 00:48:36,720
and having a mentor that's just telling

1331
00:48:39,670 --> 00:48:38,400
to help you show the ropes so i think

1332
00:48:41,589 --> 00:48:39,680
those are some of the things that can

1333
00:48:44,230 --> 00:48:41,599
help great thank you how about this

1334
00:48:45,829 --> 00:48:44,240
gentleman up in the front here

1335
00:48:52,390 --> 00:48:45,839
my name is

1336
00:48:54,630 --> 00:48:52,400
two positions one i currently

1337
00:48:56,710 --> 00:48:54,640
the title is called member at large in

1338
00:48:58,950 --> 00:48:56,720
metro washington men say yeah i know a

1339
00:49:01,190 --> 00:48:58,960
lot about gifted and talented and i'm

1340
00:49:03,589 --> 00:49:01,200
learning more all the time a few years

1341
00:49:05,589 --> 00:49:03,599
back i was leading a committee as part

1342
00:49:09,109 --> 00:49:05,599
of the governor's workforce investment

1343
00:49:11,190 --> 00:49:09,119
board here on aerospace initiative and

1344
00:49:14,710 --> 00:49:11,200
industry collaboration

1345
00:49:17,990 --> 00:49:14,720
uh one of the things that uh we talk

1346
00:49:21,030 --> 00:49:18,000
about in our circles is the need for

1347
00:49:23,750 --> 00:49:21,040
various kinds of reform like a few years

1348
00:49:26,390 --> 00:49:23,760
back i found out that 4 000 students are

1349
00:49:28,549 --> 00:49:26,400
being home schooled in montgomery county

1350
00:49:30,630 --> 00:49:28,559
because they don't look at the parents

1351
00:49:32,950 --> 00:49:30,640
of bright students don't like what

1352
00:49:35,270 --> 00:49:32,960
they're seeing happening to their bright

1353
00:49:36,950 --> 00:49:35,280
students in school with

1354
00:49:39,670 --> 00:49:36,960
everything ranging from

1355
00:49:42,390 --> 00:49:39,680
poor teachers to abusive bullying in the

1356
00:49:45,109 --> 00:49:42,400
schools and one of the real issues in

1357
00:49:48,390 --> 00:49:45,119
stem fields in general seems to be in

1358
00:49:50,870 --> 00:49:48,400
a growingly worse a work-life balance do

1359
00:49:54,390 --> 00:49:50,880
any of you people talk about needs for

1360
00:50:00,950 --> 00:49:54,400
various reforms in either education or

1361
00:50:04,470 --> 00:50:02,870
i mean i can assure you it's something

1362
00:50:06,309 --> 00:50:04,480
we spend a lot of time thinking about at

1363
00:50:08,870 --> 00:50:06,319
the department of education

1364
00:50:10,470 --> 00:50:08,880
and um would argue that our

1365
00:50:13,190 --> 00:50:10,480
you know the initiatives that we have

1366
00:50:19,109 --> 00:50:15,510
are really designed to

1367
00:50:22,069 --> 00:50:19,119
to change the whole system

1368
00:50:24,309 --> 00:50:22,079
so they are long-term plays they are not

1369
00:50:27,190 --> 00:50:24,319
the sort of things that will change in

1370
00:50:29,750 --> 00:50:27,200
two years or one term

1371
00:50:34,390 --> 00:50:32,470
raising standards for all kids

1372
00:50:36,150 --> 00:50:34,400
recruiting preparing and supporting

1373
00:50:37,270 --> 00:50:36,160
great teachers and leaders all over the

1374
00:50:39,990 --> 00:50:37,280
place

1375
00:50:41,270 --> 00:50:40,000
better data throughout the whole system

1376
00:50:43,910 --> 00:50:41,280
so

1377
00:50:47,270 --> 00:50:43,920
decisions can be made at scale with

1378
00:50:49,349 --> 00:50:47,280
confidence at all levels of the system

1379
00:50:51,270 --> 00:50:49,359
and then

1380
00:50:53,589 --> 00:50:51,280
really from moral issues

1381
00:50:54,870 --> 00:50:53,599
finally

1382
00:50:57,190 --> 00:50:54,880
paying attention you know paying

1383
00:50:58,870 --> 00:50:57,200
attention to and making changes um in

1384
00:50:59,990 --> 00:50:58,880
the places that need it most the schools

1385
00:51:02,710 --> 00:51:00,000
that have been

1386
00:51:03,510 --> 00:51:02,720
um failing kids for years and years and

1387
00:51:05,030 --> 00:51:03,520
years

1388
00:51:06,710 --> 00:51:05,040
were finally saying hey we need to do

1389
00:51:11,670 --> 00:51:06,720
something about that it's not okay to

1390
00:51:15,030 --> 00:51:13,430
i agree i agree with that

1391
00:51:17,030 --> 00:51:15,040
little

1392
00:51:20,150 --> 00:51:17,040
sentence that you mentioned about reform

1393
00:51:22,630 --> 00:51:20,160
and i i would like to also add that

1394
00:51:24,390 --> 00:51:22,640
the reform should also include reforming

1395
00:51:25,829 --> 00:51:24,400
curriculum

1396
00:51:28,069 --> 00:51:25,839
as well

1397
00:51:30,390 --> 00:51:28,079
because right now

1398
00:51:32,710 --> 00:51:30,400
what we see is when

1399
00:51:34,549 --> 00:51:32,720
when we receive those students at a

1400
00:51:36,790 --> 00:51:34,559
college level

1401
00:51:39,109 --> 00:51:36,800
many of them actually do come

1402
00:51:41,190 --> 00:51:39,119
with a level

1403
00:51:43,510 --> 00:51:41,200
in stem field

1404
00:51:45,109 --> 00:51:43,520
material that is less than adequate for

1405
00:51:47,829 --> 00:51:45,119
them to even

1406
00:51:50,230 --> 00:51:47,839
pursue a serious career in that field

1407
00:51:51,430 --> 00:51:50,240
and we struggle with that

1408
00:51:53,510 --> 00:51:51,440
they come in

1409
00:51:56,390 --> 00:51:53,520
with the notion uh

1410
00:51:58,470 --> 00:51:56,400
of the that the field is is quite

1411
00:51:59,990 --> 00:51:58,480
exciting and easy and it's it's not a

1412
00:52:02,470 --> 00:52:00,000
big problem because there's so much

1413
00:52:03,510 --> 00:52:02,480
emphasis on

1414
00:52:06,790 --> 00:52:03,520
just the

1415
00:52:07,910 --> 00:52:06,800
fun part of it and not on the actual

1416
00:52:10,630 --> 00:52:07,920
uh

1417
00:52:12,549 --> 00:52:10,640
strong educational component

1418
00:52:13,829 --> 00:52:12,559
that comes with it i mean everybody

1419
00:52:15,190 --> 00:52:13,839
knows that

1420
00:52:17,270 --> 00:52:15,200
any subject

1421
00:52:19,670 --> 00:52:17,280
whether it is a scientific subject or

1422
00:52:21,750 --> 00:52:19,680
even a sport needs a lot of practice and

1423
00:52:24,549 --> 00:52:21,760
a lot of work and a lot of

1424
00:52:26,549 --> 00:52:24,559
sweat and and and and

1425
00:52:29,109 --> 00:52:26,559
and we have to

1426
00:52:30,950 --> 00:52:29,119
implant that at that level

1427
00:52:32,549 --> 00:52:30,960
so the reform should be in that and also

1428
00:52:33,990 --> 00:52:32,559
the training of the teachers and many of

1429
00:52:36,710 --> 00:52:34,000
these things that are

1430
00:52:39,750 --> 00:52:36,720
probably very well covered

1431
00:52:41,829 --> 00:52:39,760
uh i'll follow up with one observation a

1432
00:52:45,270 --> 00:52:41,839
lot of some of us are starting to

1433
00:52:47,430 --> 00:52:45,280
complain a lot particularly in it fields

1434
00:52:49,190 --> 00:52:47,440
you can't do hard work if you're only

1435
00:52:51,109 --> 00:52:49,200
getting four hours of sleep at night and

1436
00:52:53,990 --> 00:52:51,119
that's what some places are trying to

1437
00:52:59,589 --> 00:52:56,069
we have time for one more question here

1438
00:53:01,109 --> 00:52:59,599
before we wrap up here in the back sir

1439
00:53:03,270 --> 00:53:01,119
thank you my name is stephen peterson i

1440
00:53:04,309 --> 00:53:03,280
teach exploring space to juniors in high

1441
00:53:06,069 --> 00:53:04,319
school

1442
00:53:07,670 --> 00:53:06,079
last month i had a golden opportunity to

1443
00:53:09,670 --> 00:53:07,680
go to a teachers and space workshop

1444
00:53:11,030 --> 00:53:09,680
which opened up a world of new

1445
00:53:12,230 --> 00:53:11,040
information

1446
00:53:14,069 --> 00:53:12,240
last year when i was teaching this

1447
00:53:15,990 --> 00:53:14,079
course i discovered the students really

1448
00:53:17,750 --> 00:53:16,000
opened up when we taught them the little

1449
00:53:19,349 --> 00:53:17,760
stuff for instance i would walk them

1450
00:53:21,190 --> 00:53:19,359
through the space shuttle launch from

1451
00:53:22,870 --> 00:53:21,200
the two hours before to the time they

1452
00:53:25,750 --> 00:53:22,880
reach orbit

1453
00:53:28,790 --> 00:53:25,760
coming from the workshop

1454
00:53:29,910 --> 00:53:28,800
what i really could use from nasa and

1455
00:53:31,670 --> 00:53:29,920
throughout the day they said tell us

1456
00:53:32,710 --> 00:53:31,680
what we can help you with is the little

1457
00:53:36,710 --> 00:53:32,720
stuff

1458
00:53:38,870 --> 00:53:36,720
okay that's good when you start talking

1459
00:53:41,030 --> 00:53:38,880
about that little stuff they get excited

1460
00:53:42,630 --> 00:53:41,040
let me give you an example it'd be nice

1461
00:53:45,990 --> 00:53:42,640
for me to tell them

1462
00:53:47,109 --> 00:53:46,000
how a astronaut preps from the time

1463
00:53:48,069 --> 00:53:47,119
pre-brief

1464
00:53:49,030 --> 00:53:48,079
to

1465
00:53:50,549 --> 00:53:49,040
uh

1466
00:53:51,990 --> 00:53:50,559
purging his body i don't know all the

1467
00:53:54,069 --> 00:53:52,000
details i've heard it but i can't

1468
00:53:55,270 --> 00:53:54,079
remember to doing the eva and coming

1469
00:53:56,870 --> 00:53:55,280
back in again

1470
00:53:58,950 --> 00:53:56,880
it's those little things they really get

1471
00:54:00,870 --> 00:53:58,960
excited about because they had no clue

1472
00:54:03,270 --> 00:54:00,880
all that little stuff went on

1473
00:54:04,710 --> 00:54:03,280
so how do i get that information so i

1474
00:54:07,589 --> 00:54:04,720
can present it to the students to get

1475
00:54:07,599 --> 00:54:11,030
call me

1476
00:54:15,829 --> 00:54:13,030
we have we have quite a quite a bit of

1477
00:54:17,349 --> 00:54:15,839
information on i know the jsc johnson

1478
00:54:19,430 --> 00:54:17,359
space center

1479
00:54:21,910 --> 00:54:19,440
homepage about some of those little

1480
00:54:23,670 --> 00:54:21,920
pieces of how you go to the bathroom in

1481
00:54:25,430 --> 00:54:23,680
space how do you do different things

1482
00:54:29,030 --> 00:54:25,440
there are there are websites the nasa

1483
00:54:31,349 --> 00:54:29,040
website nasa.gov education has little

1484
00:54:34,549 --> 00:54:31,359
stories but they're not all in

1485
00:54:36,230 --> 00:54:34,559
uh centrify you know central location so

1486
00:54:38,309 --> 00:54:36,240
that's something that we're also trying

1487
00:54:39,589 --> 00:54:38,319
to get more of an infrastructure for

1488
00:54:43,910 --> 00:54:39,599
selecting

1489
00:54:46,549 --> 00:54:43,920
these types of things the little stuff

1490
00:54:49,109 --> 00:54:46,559
so that kids can see what's going on to

1491
00:54:51,750 --> 00:54:49,119
you know take them from you know

1492
00:54:53,990 --> 00:54:51,760
three two one liftoff to coming home

1493
00:54:55,910 --> 00:54:54,000
that whole cycle but

1494
00:54:59,910 --> 00:54:55,920
i'll give you my card when we're done

1495
00:55:05,829 --> 00:55:03,109
but i want to make a comment uh on

1496
00:55:08,230 --> 00:55:05,839
in the uh the women in aerospace are

1497
00:55:11,109 --> 00:55:08,240
planning a stem event here at the

1498
00:55:13,349 --> 00:55:11,119
university of maryland uh the last week

1499
00:55:16,230 --> 00:55:13,359
in uh november or the first week in

1500
00:55:17,670 --> 00:55:16,240
december and i and i don't know exactly

1501
00:55:19,190 --> 00:55:17,680
what all's on the agenda i know there

1502
00:55:20,789 --> 00:55:19,200
will be panels there will be a career

1503
00:55:23,109 --> 00:55:20,799
fair and this sort of thing

1504
00:55:25,430 --> 00:55:23,119
and it's being sponsored jointly too by

1505
00:55:28,230 --> 00:55:25,440
the maryland space business roundtable

1506
00:55:29,750 --> 00:55:28,240
and the aiaa and maybe some others and i

1507
00:55:31,589 --> 00:55:29,760
thought some of you might be interested

1508
00:55:33,910 --> 00:55:31,599
in attending but i'm not sure how

1509
00:55:35,670 --> 00:55:33,920
they're going to get the word out yet

1510
00:55:38,390 --> 00:55:35,680
thank you very much any other concluding

1511
00:55:40,870 --> 00:55:38,400
uh comments from our panel

1512
00:55:42,630 --> 00:55:40,880
can i say one thing that just follow up

1513
00:55:45,190 --> 00:55:42,640
this um

1514
00:55:47,109 --> 00:55:45,200
this question or this comment about how

1515
00:55:49,750 --> 00:55:47,119
interested students can get in learning

1516
00:55:52,390 --> 00:55:49,760
the real you know details of doing

1517
00:55:54,390 --> 00:55:52,400
something like a space walk

1518
00:55:56,309 --> 00:55:54,400
we actually teach a graduate course that

1519
00:55:57,910 --> 00:55:56,319
goes into the details and it is

1520
00:56:00,630 --> 00:55:57,920
tremendously complicated the sort of

1521
00:56:02,549 --> 00:56:00,640
body chemistry uh effects that that have

1522
00:56:03,430 --> 00:56:02,559
to be dealt with

1523
00:56:04,870 --> 00:56:03,440
but

1524
00:56:06,549 --> 00:56:04,880
i think

1525
00:56:08,630 --> 00:56:06,559
you don't have to go to that level to be

1526
00:56:10,950 --> 00:56:08,640
really psyched but what you do need to

1527
00:56:12,789 --> 00:56:10,960
have is humans in space

1528
00:56:14,870 --> 00:56:12,799
and i you know i

1529
00:56:17,829 --> 00:56:14,880
i don't really know where where our

1530
00:56:21,030 --> 00:56:17,839
future in space is but i personally and

1531
00:56:23,109 --> 00:56:21,040
i think i hear this from so many kids um

1532
00:56:25,430 --> 00:56:23,119
we've got to have humans out there we've

1533
00:56:27,430 --> 00:56:25,440
got to have humans in space to really

1534
00:56:30,789 --> 00:56:27,440
inspire and to really

1535
00:56:32,789 --> 00:56:30,799
you know give give students

1536
00:56:34,630 --> 00:56:32,799
i i'm glad you agreed

1537
00:56:37,270 --> 00:56:34,640
that's apparently not everybody agrees

1538
00:56:40,150 --> 00:56:37,280
but that's okay um but i feel like

1539
00:56:41,670 --> 00:56:40,160
that's the that's the crux of the matter

1540
00:56:45,670 --> 00:56:41,680
and mary that is the plan to continue

1541
00:56:50,630 --> 00:56:48,069
okay thank you very much uh

1542
00:56:53,430 --> 00:56:50,640
for your wonderful thoughts

1543
00:56:55,510 --> 00:56:53,440
that concludes our panel discussion we

1544
00:56:57,109 --> 00:56:55,520
have some closing remarks from dr

1545
00:56:59,270 --> 00:56:57,119
michael gazarick

1546
00:57:09,510 --> 00:56:59,280
mike is our deputy chief technologist at

1547
00:57:13,349 --> 00:57:11,910
well good afternoon i hope you've had a

1548
00:57:14,630 --> 00:57:13,359
great day here

1549
00:57:16,549 --> 00:57:14,640
um i've been

1550
00:57:18,390 --> 00:57:16,559
back at the headquarters in dc while you

1551
00:57:19,910 --> 00:57:18,400
guys have been having this fun and i but

1552
00:57:21,190 --> 00:57:19,920
i've watched most of it you know on the

1553
00:57:23,990 --> 00:57:21,200
web stream

1554
00:57:25,750 --> 00:57:24,000
and it's been awesome it's been awesome

1555
00:57:28,390 --> 00:57:25,760
but i will say on the way on the way in

1556
00:57:31,589 --> 00:57:28,400
here uh as i passed a parking attendant

1557
00:57:32,710 --> 00:57:31,599
um i was told to fear the turtle so i

1558
00:57:34,150 --> 00:57:32,720
don't know what that means but maybe

1559
00:57:36,390 --> 00:57:34,160
some students can kind of help me out

1560
00:57:37,990 --> 00:57:36,400
with what what that means uh

1561
00:57:40,950 --> 00:57:38,000
being here live apparently there's

1562
00:57:42,390 --> 00:57:40,960
something to be careful about i think we

1563
00:57:44,230 --> 00:57:42,400
heard many interesting points of view

1564
00:57:45,990 --> 00:57:44,240
today and and really as you know that's

1565
00:57:47,670 --> 00:57:46,000
the point of this right it's it's it's

1566
00:57:49,589 --> 00:57:47,680
really for us to listen and to have a

1567
00:57:52,069 --> 00:57:49,599
dialogue about the kinds of things that

1568
00:57:53,910 --> 00:57:52,079
we nasa are are doing and you know we

1569
00:57:55,910 --> 00:57:53,920
greatly value your input and that that's

1570
00:57:57,910 --> 00:57:55,920
one of the reasons why we wanted to have

1571
00:57:59,990 --> 00:57:57,920
a forum such as this

1572
00:58:02,150 --> 00:58:00,000
uh we want to thank a number of people

1573
00:58:04,870 --> 00:58:02,160
uh for today first of which would be the

1574
00:58:08,309 --> 00:58:04,880
panelists for taking time and energy uh

1575
00:58:10,309 --> 00:58:08,319
and coming down today to participate

1576
00:58:11,750 --> 00:58:10,319
we want to thank especially the students

1577
00:58:13,670 --> 00:58:11,760
from the university of maryland for in

1578
00:58:15,510 --> 00:58:13,680
robotics and engineering for many of you

1579
00:58:16,390 --> 00:58:15,520
who have seen uh the displays out in the

1580
00:58:18,470 --> 00:58:16,400
hallway

1581
00:58:19,829 --> 00:58:18,480
fantastic and great stuff

1582
00:58:21,430 --> 00:58:19,839
we want to thank charlie bolden for

1583
00:58:23,030 --> 00:58:21,440
kicking us off he starts a lot of things

1584
00:58:24,470 --> 00:58:23,040
and i think he started off this whole

1585
00:58:26,470 --> 00:58:24,480
forum today

1586
00:58:28,950 --> 00:58:26,480
listening to it on the stream

1587
00:58:31,190 --> 00:58:28,960
was was a great way to get a day like

1588
00:58:32,470 --> 00:58:31,200
today started

1589
00:58:34,470 --> 00:58:32,480
in addition i want we want to thank

1590
00:58:36,069 --> 00:58:34,480
congressman edwards

1591
00:58:37,990 --> 00:58:36,079
her remarks i thought were were

1592
00:58:39,910 --> 00:58:38,000
incredible and uh her stories that she

1593
00:58:41,910 --> 00:58:39,920
brought um really kind of set the

1594
00:58:44,230 --> 00:58:41,920
foundation for the day i i really

1595
00:58:45,589 --> 00:58:44,240
enjoyed that and and her uh you know for

1596
00:58:47,589 --> 00:58:45,599
me personally her mentioning of the

1597
00:58:49,670 --> 00:58:47,599
infrared camera or the use of for that

1598
00:58:51,349 --> 00:58:49,680
for energy efficiency that really hit

1599
00:58:54,390 --> 00:58:51,359
home uh for me

1600
00:58:56,230 --> 00:58:54,400
and and uh working uh with uh melvin on

1601
00:58:57,349 --> 00:58:56,240
i worked on an infrared camera that is

1602
00:58:59,109 --> 00:58:57,359
now used

1603
00:59:01,030 --> 00:58:59,119
by astronauts on the international space

1604
00:59:02,309 --> 00:59:01,040
station it's a handheld device and as a

1605
00:59:04,230 --> 00:59:02,319
matter of fact i was at a conference

1606
00:59:06,549 --> 00:59:04,240
years ago presenting on that on the use

1607
00:59:08,390 --> 00:59:06,559
of this infrared technology for the use

1608
00:59:10,390 --> 00:59:08,400
on the international space station and

1609
00:59:12,630 --> 00:59:10,400
it was a conference that were uh that

1610
00:59:14,069 --> 00:59:12,640
was mainly for people that she mentioned

1611
00:59:16,390 --> 00:59:14,079
people in the industry for energy

1612
00:59:18,630 --> 00:59:16,400
efficiency they were just i was just as

1613
00:59:20,309 --> 00:59:18,640
fascinated as their use of it for

1614
00:59:21,990 --> 00:59:20,319
understanding energy efficiency in my

1615
00:59:23,270 --> 00:59:22,000
home as they were about learning how

1616
00:59:27,190 --> 00:59:23,280
infrared cameras and the things that

1617
00:59:31,670 --> 00:59:29,190
finally i want to thank you really you

1618
00:59:33,750 --> 00:59:31,680
uh everyone here for taking the time and

1619
00:59:35,109 --> 00:59:33,760
the energy and staying with us for a

1620
00:59:36,630 --> 00:59:35,119
very long day

1621
00:59:38,150 --> 00:59:36,640
i want to thank

1622
00:59:39,829 --> 00:59:38,160
you know thank you for your interest and

1623
00:59:40,549 --> 00:59:39,839
your passion

1624
00:59:43,589 --> 00:59:40,559
and

1625
00:59:45,030 --> 00:59:43,599
your caring for what we do at nasa

1626
00:59:47,430 --> 00:59:45,040
i also want to thank for those that are

1627
00:59:48,870 --> 00:59:47,440
on tv and from the stream like i was

1628
00:59:52,390 --> 00:59:48,880
being able to

1629
00:59:53,910 --> 00:59:52,400
to listen and to learn from home

1630
00:59:55,910 --> 00:59:53,920
we're going to have another one our next

1631
00:59:59,430 --> 00:59:55,920
event the next forum is planned for

1632
01:00:00,950 --> 00:59:59,440
october 21st that's a tentative date

1633
01:00:01,990 --> 01:00:00,960
and that won't have anything to do with

1634
01:00:04,309 --> 01:00:02,000
turtles

1635
01:00:05,829 --> 01:00:04,319
in fact it will be the ohio state

1636
01:00:07,589 --> 01:00:05,839
university

1637
01:00:12,549 --> 01:00:07,599
in the land of the buckeyes you can

1638
01:00:17,510 --> 01:00:15,109
oct for further information on that

1639
01:00:22,789 --> 01:00:19,510
so let me just close with a couple key

1640
01:00:24,309 --> 01:00:22,799
messages you know that we heard today um

1641
01:00:25,270 --> 01:00:24,319
first of all i want to say that we heard

1642
01:00:27,030 --> 01:00:25,280
you

1643
01:00:29,030 --> 01:00:27,040
we have a whole series of messages and

1644
01:00:30,470 --> 01:00:29,040
notes that we heard and you certainly i

1645
01:00:32,710 --> 01:00:30,480
can say i think for most of the

1646
01:00:34,470 --> 01:00:32,720
panelists you have made us think

1647
01:00:36,950 --> 01:00:34,480
and you made us pause about what we're

1648
01:00:38,710 --> 01:00:36,960
doing and how we're doing it and and we

1649
01:00:41,349 --> 01:00:38,720
we need doubt some time to go reflect on

1650
01:00:43,430 --> 01:00:41,359
that and turn that into action

1651
01:00:45,670 --> 01:00:43,440
one of the things we heard is that nasa

1652
01:00:47,510 --> 01:00:45,680
we don't promote ourselves very well

1653
01:00:49,109 --> 01:00:47,520
i suppose many of you heard the joke

1654
01:00:51,190 --> 01:00:49,119
about the engineers

1655
01:00:53,670 --> 01:00:51,200
and the difference about looking down at

1656
01:00:55,109 --> 01:00:53,680
their shoes versus your shoes so i think

1657
01:00:56,950 --> 01:00:55,119
a lot of us suffer for that we're really

1658
01:00:58,710 --> 01:00:56,960
good engineers but not so much perhaps

1659
01:01:01,349 --> 01:00:58,720
about promoting and marketing so we hear

1660
01:01:03,349 --> 01:01:01,359
that and we have more work to do in that

1661
01:01:04,870 --> 01:01:03,359
arena

1662
01:01:07,349 --> 01:01:04,880
we learned i think we do a lot of good

1663
01:01:08,789 --> 01:01:07,359
work but no one knows

1664
01:01:10,470 --> 01:01:08,799
and so

1665
01:01:12,470 --> 01:01:10,480
telling our story and telling about a

1666
01:01:14,549 --> 01:01:12,480
lot of the great things that we do um in

1667
01:01:15,990 --> 01:01:14,559
addition to just what you see you know

1668
01:01:17,750 --> 01:01:16,000
in human space flight and with

1669
01:01:20,230 --> 01:01:17,760
astronauts in addition to that within

1670
01:01:22,630 --> 01:01:20,240
science with engineering and technology

1671
01:01:25,910 --> 01:01:22,640
across the fronts uh we have a lot to

1672
01:01:28,069 --> 01:01:25,920
tell and we'll continue to work on that

1673
01:01:29,430 --> 01:01:28,079
so in short i'm going to borrow a little

1674
01:01:31,190 --> 01:01:29,440
bit from hank green

1675
01:01:33,190 --> 01:01:31,200
you know today you helped us increase

1676
01:01:35,030 --> 01:01:33,200
the awesome of nasa and for that we

1677
01:01:37,109 --> 01:01:35,040
thank you

1678
01:01:38,549 --> 01:01:37,119
i want to close by just repeating i

1679
01:01:39,910 --> 01:01:38,559
thought was a great line for congress

1680
01:01:41,430 --> 01:01:39,920
from edwards

1681
01:01:43,109 --> 01:01:41,440
and that's one that really kind of stuck

1682
01:01:44,069 --> 01:01:43,119
with me as i listened to it on the

1683
01:01:46,309 --> 01:01:44,079
stream

1684
01:01:48,630 --> 01:01:46,319
and that is a nation is only as strong